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The idea of two reformations instead just one reformation

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Were there historians of Christianity that claimed a similar claim to that there were actually two reformations instead just one?

I understand that both social movements operated in pretty much the same eras in Europe (excluding other similar possible movements before them) so both of them could be grasped as reform makers.

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"The Reformation" wasn't a single shift, with or without Unitarianism. Its starting point and best-known aspect was Luther's break with the Catholic Church. Zwingli started a similar movement in Switzerland, coming into public controversy shortly after the Diet of Worms. The strict Anabaptists broke away from Zwingli. Henry VIII broke from the Catholic Church for personal reasons.

The founder of Unitarianism as a formal movement was Francis David of Transylvania. His ideas influenced John Sigismund, who ruled the Ottoman-dominated part of Hungary. Sigismund issued an edict of tolerance in 1568, which went far beyond the Holy Roman Empire's declaration that rulers could choose between Protestantism and Catholicism.

You can break these "reformations" up into as many or as few as you like, but there isn't much support for singling out the Unitarian movement as a second reformation. Its long-term influence in allowing reasoned analysis into religion was strong, but it didn't have that much influence over the religious landscape of Europe at the time.

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If someone wants to downvote my reply, fine, but it would be helpful to the community to say exactly ... (3 comments)
If someone wants to downvote my reply, fine, but it would be helpful to the community to say exactly ...
gmcgath‭ wrote over 3 years ago

If someone wants to downvote my reply, fine, but it would be helpful to the community to say exactly what errors I made.

David‭ wrote about 3 years ago · edited about 3 years ago

Very helpful answer from my POV. A couple items of bibliography that reinforce its main take away:

(1) Carter Lindberg, The European Reformations, 2nd edition. Wiley-Blackwell, 2010. (The first edition can be borrowed at Archive.org.)

(2) Walter Klaassen, Anabaptism: Neither Catholic nor Protestant, 3rd edition. Pandora Press, 2001. Klaassen provided a summary of his thesis in a 1985 article which can now be found online.

The titles of both make clear how they converge with this answer: the clue is the plural in Lindberg's title, while Klaassen's subtitle provides the thesis statement.

qohelet‭ wrote almost 3 years ago · edited almost 3 years ago

gmcgath FYI folks are not obligated to comment on why they downvote, nor is it necessarily helpful as this tends to result in debate. The voting mechanism is the means of providing feedback. With that said, this post earned my upvote :)